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    Default How's my gimbal practice?

    Here is a test I did with the DJI Ronin. When I run with it though, it's not exactly the smoothest. You can still see a bit of bounce in my step it seems. I intentionally jump a few times to see how smooth it would look but when I'm not jumping and just plane running, it feels like it could be smoother.

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    It looks like you need a lot of practice with it yet. I use a cheap Glidecam knock-off and it does a better job than what you are showing here.

    Your Ronin has an excellent reputation, so I would suspect you just need more practice with it.


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    Okay thanks. Do you have any idea what I could be doing wrong? I am trying to hold it as steady as possible when running, and not sure what the problem is.


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    did you balance it?


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    Yep. Or at least I followed the balancing instructions as they were, and the camera in it's proper position, as to what the instructions said.

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    There is also a follow setting in the app (if you are using the cell phone app.) you need to set.


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    Yeah I followed online tutorial instructions and set the apt settings to the specifications they said to.


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    I've never used a gimbal so I could not tell you what you need to work on with it. My Glidecam knock-off has always worked very well for me.


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    Okay thanks. I wasn't planning on getting the Ronin I don't think after trying it out. Mainly I don't like how it's very difficult to transport in one piece. I think it was meant to be taken apart in sections, put back in the box it came in, and transported that way. But the problem with that is, is that have to assemble it each time to go from location to location, and rebalance it all over again, each time.

    Where as I need a contraption that can stay assembled during transported, and balanced beforehand. So I might get a different gimbal, but something that can be transported in one piece a lot easier than the Ronin. Unless of course you can transport the ronin all in one piece easily and there is a way to overcome that.


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    Walk Heel To Toe when filming with your gimbal. This will give a smooth move to your shot. Your practice should be holding the gimbal in a position that is comfortable to you and feels right. That way you won't want to figit as much when moving with it. Just a couple of things I picked up along the way. I hope this helps.

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    Okay thanks. What about when it comes to running though, and doing running shots? It's difficult to run heel to toe, so any suggestions there?


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    It is still the same principle. You want to bend your knees as they will act as the absorbing spring and practice putting moving quickly focusing on keeping your hips moving level. As fast as you can m ice this way will be depending on how well you practice it. It can be done.

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    Okay thanks a lot for the input. What about transporting the Ronin? If I place it in the back of a car for example, it rests in this very awkward position, and I am worried the weight, might put too much pressure on the part facing down. It just looks so fragile and sensitive to weight when laying it down, and the way it slouches, so what's a good way of transporting it, do you think? I don't want to hang it on a hook, cause I am afraid it might slide off while driving.


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    You will need some help. One person drive and one person hold the Ronin. I alot of times you will see film makers use trucks so the person holding the stabilizer can sit int he back of it. This is where you use your creativity to create. Overcome obstacles. Try looking up how other film makers accomplish this on youtube. There plenty of videos that will steer you in the right direction.

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    Okay thanks. It's very difficult to transport, which is why I think I may get another gimble. There are DIY boxes with straps to put them to hold it in place I noticed. But the Ronin is more money than other gimbals so I think I might get another one, or maybe the glidecam knock off that you mentioned.


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    Well, it looks better then some of my footage haha
    Keep on practicing ;-)

    You were running the whole time? Or also walking?
    My shoots with a normal rig are better... if it comes to running yours are better


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    I was running the entire time pretty much, since I want to practice for some running shots for a project. But the Ronin is very awkward to hold the way it is built. I tried framing an actor, close up of his face, while running, and you have to hold it up super high for my arms, because on the Ronin the arm bars higher than the camera. I prefer the rigs where you the arm bars are below the camera for framing.

    I think I would do better with a different kind of gimbal. I was just renting the Ronin, and might try something else.


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    You can see a professional use a Glide Cam with a heavy Red Cam here:
    Behind The Scenes


    The Finish Short:


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    Okay thanks, that looks good. Well I would probably get a separate DP/camera operator to shoot the movie though, so what kind of gimbal or steadicam would be good for most DPs to be familiar with to use? That way when I get one, I will can hopefully find one who is familiar with it, but which one has gotten the most familiarity, do you think?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Jones View Post
    You can see a professional use a Glide Cam with a heavy Red Cam here:
    Behind The Scenes

    That is a Canon DSLR Devin uses, not a RED.

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    Thanks for the response but he has vids using the Red as well. If I'm not mistaking it is a roof top action.


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    Oh, I see. I was going by "You can see a professional use a Glide Cam with a heavy Red Cam here."

    Here's an actual video where he had a RED on his Glidecam. Devin has been using a Glidecam for years and years, regularly, for a living. I am sure his arm strength and endurance is much better than any of ours. His footage has always been amazing with a Glidecam. He has at least one, probably several videos on tips for using them. Of course, like anything else, it also takes practice. People who think they are going to pick one up and will instantly get footage as smooth as his are misleading themselves.

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    Okay thanks. I didn't think that the RED made a lot of difference on a glidecame compared to a DSLR. I mean it's heavier, but it doesn't look a lot heavier to me.

    However, I am most likely going to get a another DP to shoot it, and that DP is going to want to be behind the camera. Every DP I know, doesn't have much experience with a glidecam or gimbal, so which is better for them, for me to get, or how much practice would it be fair of them to put in for a project of mine?


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    I've been using a RED Scarlett X. It is much heavier than a DSLR. I don't know if the newer REDs are any lighter, but with a heavier camera you also have to have heavier counter weights at the bottom of the stabilizer. This makes the whole thing much heavier.


    "...glidecam or gimbal, so which is better for them, for me to get, or how much practice would it be fair of them to put in for a project of mine?


    You've already asked/posted that question before with many responses in that topic.


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    Awesome Steve you are a great moderator. I was just trying to help someone out. He ask a question and I thought of the video that I saw before by Devin. I wrote the post then went to go and try and grab the link really quick but could not find the one I was looking for and and grabbed one of the DSLR. Thank you for pointing out my mistake. Hopefully we can drop it now, Sheesh!!


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    Okay thanks. What about other gimbals other than the Ronin? For example, this person says the Zhiyun Crane, is the best one, but is it?



    In the video he, also mentions that it helps to turn the cameras stabilization on, along with the gimbal. I use the canon T2i, but that camera doesn't have stabilization on the actual camera, does it? Is that why my footage still looks a bit shaky with the gimbal?

    Also when it comes to the Zhiyun Crane, is one able to pull focus while using it, or will that still be a problem?

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    Ironpony I love my Zhiyun Crane. I have the version 2. I use my Samsung NX1 with it because that can has an awesome auto focus. It is truly a good option. I bought the cross bar with the hand grips. Great piece of gear for me.

    Image here

    Your are limited to I think 3.9 pounds for camera and lens. The batteries last all day.

    Here I have a $25 double camera strap acting as strain relief for the Zhiyun Crane.
    Image Here

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    Okay thanks. Well the weight might not be a problem as long as I do not use a long telephoto lens than is that right? However, I wanted to do some shots, where I would put a long lens on the camera, and zoom in quite far. That way, when I, or my DP moves the crane, it can look like a jib movement, covering more ground. But it's actually just a small movement, looking like it's covering more ground cause of the long telephoto lens. Can you put a telephoto on that crane?

    Not sure what camera we will be using, but most cameras have bad autofocus's that are late on pulling focus though. I never trusted autofocus, but this would depend on what DP I get and what camera he/she has.


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    I would have to say no to using a long telephoto lens. I assume you are talking about a bigger heavier lens. I use the 16-50mm lens you can see in the image in the post above but it is more closer to a pancake lens.


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    Oh okay. What about an 85mm lens, is that too long? I would at least want an 85 for a lot of shots, cause I like the look of the 85, but would want longer options if possible while moving the camera.


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    It is not about length as much as it is about weight. The total weight of your camera and lens together will determine if you can use it on the Crane.

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    Okay thanks. But some say not to use long lenses on the gimbals, cause gimbals have a tougher time trying to make the footage look smoother since a long lense picks up more movement. Would that be a problem for the crane?


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