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  • Question about doing bloody gunshots for a movie.

    I was going to do this method, the second one in the film riot video:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANXcNihpiwY

    However, the problem I have is that you have to pump the pump a few times in order for the blood pack to burst. Where as I cannot get it to sync with the actor's reactions to being shot. I need to be able to sync it exactly, like on the count of three with the actors, and the push of a button pretty much, and pumping the pump is not something that can be done as accurately, cause you don't know quite how many pumps it will take.

    Is there any method of doing this where you can sync it to the actor's reaction exactly?

  • #2
    I'm not a doctor, nurse, etc....but I'm not sure that blood spurts exactly at the same nano-second that the victim is hit with a gunshot. So I wouldn't sorry about it.
    Screenwriter and script consultant: www.maralesemann.com

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    • #3
      Well basically the actor has to react like the bullet is pushing them back, so the push has to come at the same time the bullet enters though, doesn't it?

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      • #4
        The magic of editing. Gun shot. Then cut to the actor already falling backward because he's been hit.
        Screenwriter and script consultant: www.maralesemann.com

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        • #5
          Well that works for minor characters, but when a major character is shot, I want the audience to feel it, so I don't want to cut where he is already falling, I want the audience to actually feel the hit more with major characters. In most movies, they make a bigger deal and show more when it's major characters.

          Like in a movie like Bonnie and Clyde for example, it wouldn't have been near as dramatic if all of a sudden they were already shot and fell and that was it, if that makes sense.

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          • #6
            You're over-thinking this. And unless you've got a budget like Bonnie and Clyde, go with what works on a low budget movie, and consider simply hiring an experienced editor.
            Screenwriter and script consultant: www.maralesemann.com

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            • #7
              Okay thanks. I'll just put some blood on them with hole in their shirt then, and see what I can get, or something like that. Or I can try the film riot way and time the reaction as best I can, and edit it the best later, if that's better.

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              • #8
                I have done this many times, however... in most states they really get cranky unless your a Licensed armorer. Having said that, there is a less "explosive" method that can be used that you may want to consider. Same process of filling condom and prepping shirt but instead of using explosives of any kind simply tie mono filament (fishing line) around the secured condom and run the line out of the exit hole. an assistant on the other end of the line stands off camera and on a three count pulls quickly. The tug helps cue the actor and the effect is accomplished without danger....

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                • #9
                  Okay thanks. I read about the fishing line idea as well. However, wouldn't we want to use something more breakable than a condom since condoms are tough to break by pulling on them, at least I find.

                  Or if condoms will work, what about the fishing line being seen by the camera while shooting. That part worries me.

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                  • #10
                    ...mono filament in the 15 to 20 pound test is VERY difficult to see on camera. If you have a video tap you can shoot a rehearsal (without pulling the string of course) to see if your lighting is causing any "bounce" on the line. If so then simply move your assistant until the reflection is gone. It is rare though. As to the strength of the condom.... either get the cheapest (which is often the thinnest) or those that advertise "natural" feeling which again, are often the thinner material.

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                    • #11
                      Okay thanks, I will try that thanks. I also some tutorials that show an air hose under the actors shirt that go into the condom, on a pressurized tank. Film Riot did this as well. They show it at 7:05 into the video:

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANXcNihpiwY

                      They then pump air pressure from a tank, through the hose, which bursts the condom. Is this way better or worse than the fishing line, if you know much about this way?

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                      • #12
                        ...using the air pressure method (I have also used canned air) is viable, but prone to error if the tubing isn't aimed properly or sealed well. The effect can be a bit over the top... as actual gun shot hits rarely cause that kind of explosive spray. If you watch professional armorers using squib charges you will see that they really don't spray as much as they just sort of splash with a bit of velocity. Your best bet is to try the easiest first... film it in a test shot and see if it meets your need. If not, you can go up the chain of various effects. The key is, of course safety... for you as well as your actor.

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