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Director
03-13-2013, 09:18 AM
I have extensive experience on both PC and Mac, but for film editing, and other design work I prefer a Mac. Well, let me amend that, I prefer using a Mac under any situation.

When talking to people that are PC users, they say they don’t like using Macs, then they go on to tell me that they never have actually used a Mac before.

Even though my first experience using personal computers was a PC, once I leaned my way around a Mac (very easy), there was no going back.

Anyway, just thought I would throw this open for discussion to hear what others think about Mac vs. PC?

mara
03-13-2013, 09:27 AM
Mac. Definitely.

I use a PC at my day job, and deal with it :)
But I find Macs (a) easier for me to use, (b) easier to get real-person assistance when I need it, and (c) better durability.

They ARE more expensive. That's the one place where I think PC's have the advantage.

Nick Soares
03-13-2013, 09:27 AM
First experience was PC - Got a mac to edit video when I was in highschool. Never looked back, and will never go back.

I remember the PC you would have to add so much stuff to try and prevent viruses but ever since I got a mac I have never even thought about the word "virus" in the last 12 years....

MAC all the way :)

leetvfilms
03-13-2013, 09:42 AM
I work with both mediums. I edit on a PC though. I have After Effects for both PC and mac so I bounce around between the two quite a bit lately with the feature film I'm workin on :)

I do want to get a 12 core Mac Pro in the future :)

Frank
03-13-2013, 09:44 AM
MAC all the way :)

Paul77
03-13-2013, 09:48 AM
I have been using an iMac since 2012 - I was a PC guy and never understood what was so great about Macs. Now I cannot use a PC ever again but the wierd thing is I cannot explain why, its just Macs are so much "cleaner" feeling if that makes sense? Its kind of like indietalk and filmmakerforum indietalk being the PC and filmmakerforum being a Mac. Does that make sense?

Paul77
03-13-2013, 09:50 AM
Hey, how did you guys get those twitter and facebook buttons by your name?

Director
03-13-2013, 10:04 AM
I have been using an iMac since 2012 - I was a PC guy and never understood what was so great about Macs. Now I cannot use a PC ever again but the wierd thing is I cannot explain why, its just Macs are so much "cleaner" feeling if that makes sense? Its kind of like indietalk and filmmakerforum indietalk being the PC and filmmakerforum being a Mac. Does that make sense?

[at]Paul: Well put, Macs do feel cleaner.
[at]Mara: Yes, they are more expensive, but if they last longer, then you're getting a better value in the long run.
[at]Nick: No drivers needed. You can plug a cheese sandwich into a Mac and it will read it. And NO viruses.

I actually have two Macs: G5 tower, and iMac desktop (can't hang with the laptops or notebooks). I've had the G5 for 8 years, and in all that time the only problem I had was I blew a memory stick. No big deal. I want to Guitar center and bought a new one for $71. Had to upgrade to the iMac though for all the new software that require intel.

2001 Productions
03-13-2013, 10:05 AM
I too edit films using a Mac. I write and access the Internet on a laptop PC because I can carry it around and if something happens to it or a virus crashes it, I can replace it relatively inexpensively.

Jsthompson79
03-13-2013, 10:11 AM
I was a diehard pc fan since I got my first 286 as a kid. However after being a system administrator in the Navy for 8 years I grew tired of everything to do with PCs. I ran a computer repair shop when I got out of the Navy and that drove home the point I wanted nothing more to do with them. I got my first Mac when I started school last year and I will no doubt never go back to a PC. The Mac is easier to use, more secure, and as Nick pointed out I have not even thought about Viruses since I got it. Plus all of my programs for filmmaking are on my Mac.

Director
03-13-2013, 10:27 AM
I was a diehard pc fan since I got my first 286 as a kid. However after being a system administrator in the Navy for 8 years I grew tired of everything to do with PCs. I ran a computer repair shop when I got out of the Navy and that drove home the point I wanted nothing more to do with them. I got my first Mac when I started school last year and I will no doubt never go back to a PC. The Mac is easier to use, more secure, and as Nick pointed out I have not even thought about Viruses since I got it. Plus all of my programs for filmmaking are on my Mac.

I have a friend that was also a diehard PC fan. He would even laugh at me. Then his student wife bought a Mac and he started using it. He is now a total diehard Mac fan.

mara
03-13-2013, 10:33 AM
Hey, how did you guys get those twitter and facebook buttons by your name?

http://www.filmmakerforum.org/general-discussion/1682-social-filmmaker-forum-beta.html
The answer is in that link :)

kevinAvis
03-13-2013, 12:27 PM
I think PC and Mac can't combared, each one has its pros and cons. I prefer PC over Mac.

Director
03-13-2013, 12:46 PM
I think PC and Mac can't combared, each one has its pros and cons. I prefer PC over Mac.

True, but at least Mac didn't invent that God awful, evil Bing program, that requires permission from Bill Gates himself just to remove it, if it is even possible then.

Vance Baryn
03-13-2013, 09:43 PM
Ok, I guess I'll take the bait...

First, off I'll assume that by "PC" in this context we mean "non-Macintosh PC that is running the Windows operating system" which is how most non computer savvy people use the term. I actually don't know how computer savvy you are, but since you use a Mac, I'm going to assume not very... JUST KIDDING! (sort of)

The problem with debates like this is almost always that people on both sides don't actually have a clear idea of what they are talking about. It will, therefore, be helpful to first define the term "computer." A computer is not a single thing. It is a combination of things such as a motherboard (which itself a combination of smaller things), a processor, a hard disk, a video card, and really any number of potentially infinite components. A Mac and a PC do not differ in this regard. They are both combinations of the exact same types of components. Don't believe me? Here is a tutorial that will teach you how to build a Mac with non-Macintosh components: http://nofilmschool.com/build-a-hackintosh/

Once you realize that, you probably also are coming to the realization that there is no fundamental difference between a Mac and a PC on the hardware level. Macintosh is just a brand of PC. What Mac does differently than most other brands is that it severely limits your options. They limit your ability to make a mistake in choosing what kind of computer you want by just telling you what you're going to get and not giving you any choice in the matter. For this service, they charge at least double what you would pay for another brand and probably three times what you would spend building an equivalent computer yourself. You think Mac tech support is better than any PC tech support? Well, of course it is because the tech support guy has an exact clone of your computer sitting next to him and knows it inside and out. People just simply have too many choices when buying a PC for that to be practical.

What a lot of people (most people) think of when they think of Mac vs PC, however, is Mac OS vs Windows. Now Macintosh could have just made their operating system available to run on any build of computer like other OS makers have usually done, but they chose not to. Why? Well, two reasons. First of all, having the Mac OS available only for their own proprietary builds lets them sell overpriced computers to people who want to run that operating system. The second reason is that they would actually have to improve the hardware compatibility significantly in Mac OS in order to do that. You see, Mac OS is designed to work with only a very small subset of hardware, which Apple can get away with because Macs are only available with a very small subset of hardware. While Windows and Linux operating systems were working tirelessly to make their operating systems compatible with as much hardware as possible, Apple took the other route and just decided to make it easy on themselves by limiting what hardware they would allow you to use.

As far as usability, I don't see any discernible difference at the surface level. I often get annoyed using Mac OS because things don't work the way I expect, but I imagine Mac users get just as annoyed using Windows. It comes down to personal preference here. It is certainly not true that Mac OS recognizes more devices without drivers or anything like that. I don't remember the last time I ever had to install a driver on Windows, either. Once I get below the basic user experience into more low level operations, I find Mac to be much more difficult than Windows. This might also be an experience thing as well. It may be that I just don't know my way around Mac OS well enough.

As for Macintosh being more secure against viruses... well Mac OS is actually less secure against viruses than Windows. However, it is more safe for the time being simply because there aren't as many viruses being written for it. Here's an article to explain more on that topic: http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/windows-versus-mac-which-is-more-secure-20120510-1ye85.html

My final verdict:

Buy a Mac if you are willing to pay significantly more money to not have to think about what components go into your computer, and more reliable tech support when things go wrong.

Buy a PC if you are willing to put significantly more effort into learning how your computer works in exchange for much better hardware and software compatibility and a lower price tag.

Director
03-14-2013, 08:39 AM
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[at]Vance: Oh yeah, Well...uh, you're a big meanie, and we don't like you anymore. :)

True, you can turn a PC into a Mac, and a Mac into a PC (read Windows). But, you didn't mention that Mac is Unix based (using their super secret BSD kernel that's sugar coated, and magically delicious), or that P(iece) of C(rap) is Linux based.

Yes, Mac's are not virus impervious, and that there are fewer people that create virus' for Mac, but honestly, I don't care, I just don't want them.

However, having used PC's for years, and then switching to a Mac (about 9 years ago), I do notice that after a period of time, PC's do slow down. Perhaps it has something to do with the rotational media, I don't know. All I know is that Mac's do not do this.

But since you made me read all that, I'm going to suggest to Nick that you sit in the corner wearing a funny hat.

Vance Baryn
03-14-2013, 09:02 AM
Oh yes, you're right about that. Windows does get slower and slower the longer you use it which gets really noticeable after 3 or 4 days without a reboot especially. For applications like editing, graphic design, visual effects, etc, that's not that big of an issue because we can always just reboot it while we get a cup of coffee before starting work. But yes, if it's important to have the maximum amount of up time without rebooting, someone would be a fool to not to use Linux (usually Ubuntu or CentOS these days).

By the way, I'm definitely not a huge fan of Windows. I'm a Linux guy. I didn't use Windows at all for over 5 years until 3 months ago when I bought another computer to use for video production. If Adobe would just release their creative suite for Linux, I'd happily be done with Windows. I just refuse to pay the ridiculous price for a Mac.

I'll go back to my corner now :-)

Nick Soares
03-14-2013, 09:09 AM
As for Macintosh being more secure against viruses... well Mac OS is actually less secure against viruses than Windows

Nothing wrong with a fun debate :) after all this is a Forum!

That said, I will have to strongly disagree with this. This is some gossip that makes "windows" guys feel better about their PC :)

Its just not TRUE

I once had a neighbor that loved his PC and I loved my mac. I was telling him that the Mac computer is safer then his PC, he disagreed and he said I can hack into your mac right now - Little did he know that I am quite savy about computer security and network hacks and I said "So you think you can hack into my Mac without touching it?" He said "yes" I said I will bet you $500 if you can do that... Long story short I was $500 richer then before :)

Director
03-14-2013, 09:26 AM
Ubuntu or CentOS? I'm sorry Vance, but I don't speak any of the African languages. I know that's probably uncivilized of me. But since you taught me something I didn't know, that Adobe Creative Suite doesn't work on Linux, you'll still have to remain in the corner, but you may remove the funny hat.

Vance Baryn
03-14-2013, 09:31 AM
I didn't say Macs are so insecure that just any idiot can hack into them or anything. Mac OS used to be a notoriously insecure operating system back in the day. That's likely what your neighbor was thinking of. These days, Mac OS has caught up in security to the point that there is very little point in comparing. In a hasty search I wasn't able to find any experts online that said Mac OS was more secure than Windows. There are some who say it is slightly less secure. However, they pretty much all agree that it is too close to really argue about, and the Mac is de facto more secure simply because less viruses are written for it.

I will say as well, though, that 99% of avoiding viruses is just being smart. In all my days of using Windows, I have never had a significant virus problem.

Nick Soares
03-14-2013, 09:34 AM
Ahhh man, thanks guys. I needed a good debate, its been to long :)

Director
03-14-2013, 09:48 AM
Let me equate this to something really basic, like cars. You see, Nick and I drive these super shiny sport cars with 12 cylinder engines, made by some Italian guys whose names we can't even pronounce. Now, as we pass you on the freeway driving your rusted bucket of bolts, I want you to listen to those engines rev. Yes, they are expensive cars, and yes, we're up to our collective asses in debt. But secretly, you still want one.

Just yanking your chain Vance :)~ Thanks for your v,v,v (choke) valuable input.

onthebubble
03-17-2013, 12:38 PM
My sister and I have had this discussion several times. She always brought up the virus issue, until 2 months ago when her Mac got a virus. New hard drive - losing all files. She's not as happy with that "sports car" (and it's cost) any more.

Vance is correct about the differences. I don't know if any of you are old enough to remember the DEC GEM. It came out about the time of the 286's before windows. It made a "PC" work and look like a Mac, so much so that Apple sued and DEC had to change.

"Director", I'll match my "old hot rod" to your shiny sports car any day. And I can work on my hot rod without an European mechanic.

Director
03-17-2013, 01:23 PM
My sister and I have had this discussion several times. She always brought up the virus issue, until 2 months ago when her Mac got a virus. New hard drive - losing all files. She's not as happy with that "sports car" (and it's cost) any more.

Vance is correct about the differences. I don't know if any of you are old enough to remember the DEC GEM. It came out about the time of the 286's before windows. It made a "PC" work and look like a Mac, so much so that Apple sued and DEC had to change.

"Director", I'll match my "old hot rod" to your shiny sports car any day. And I can work on my hot rod without an European mechanic.

Like I stated in my earlier post "Mac's are not virus impervious."
Of course, visiting some nefarious sites and downloading their content can raise a person's risk of virus infection, like porno sites. So you might want to warn your sister about that. ;)~

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onthebubble
03-17-2013, 01:26 PM
Like I stated in my earlier post "Mac's are not virus impervious."
Of course, visiting some nefarious sites and downloading their content can raise a person's risk of virus infection, like porno sites. So you might want to warn your sister about that. ;)~

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It might help her, but that's a different topic. :) I think it comes down to what you like and what you're comfortable with. Both have positives and both have negatives.

Director
03-17-2013, 01:36 PM
It might help her, but that's a different topic. :) I think it comes down to what you like and what you're comfortable with. Both have positives and both have negatives.

I agree. And maybe I have just gotten better at avoiding viruses over the years and I credit that to the Macs. but like Paul stated, a Mac just feels cleaner.