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    Mainly I've been traveling to other cities to get jobs on movies, either as acting as a background extra, or just someone to help out doing whatever. But since I am working with no compensation of anykind, I am using a lot of fuel and time to get these places, and wonder if it's really worth it in the end? Will it make that much of a difference on the resume, that I worked on this movie, when it's just as a volunteer helper or as a background extra?

    I like doing it and don't mine, but I guess it's matter of money for fuel, vs. how much it will really matter to anyone in the end. What do you think?

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    It's a good question but an impossible one to answer in a general sense. In that situation, it's not just a question of building your resume (which IS important) but the contacts and connections that you make on these sets. They can potentially (but not certainly) be of great help in the future. I'd say that if you like it, you should keep doing in but don't feel like you have to say "yes" to every single one of them, if for no other reason than because you'll be exhausted.

    Check out my blog on my experiences as an indie screenwriter and producier:
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    Okay thanks. I think I might say no to the next one, but still say yes in general. I feel that I really don't get as much time with the contacts though. I mean when I show up, I show up to work, not to try talk to them about other projects they are doing in the future, as that is probably inappropriate, so not sure how much making contacts really helps though, cause of that?

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    Networking is not: "Hi, I am Ryan. Can you help me on my next project?"

    Networking is: "Hi, I'm Ryan. How are you?"
    Building contacts is not headhunting on set. It is making 'friends', keeping in touch and ask them later.


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    Yeah but usually they don't keep in touch.


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    Define keeping in touch.

    And tell us what you do?


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    Well basically I say to them, if you need any help on any other projects, let me know, and give them my facebook information, since they usually ask for that, but don't really here back much after. I might send them a message later on, but they respond back saying things are dead, or they don't respond back at all.


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    From a Director's perspective, here's what I notice in people that I want to be on my next set.

    Arrive early to accommodate anything that has come up about the shoot, or just to be able to go over things, or just for the comfort of the crew to know you are there already.

    Be courteous. Be pleasant. Be ready to take your place. Be ready to respond when your name is called. Ask for clarification on anything you don't understand completely. Don't guess if you don't know. That will slow things down.

    Be helpful. Ask if you can carry anything when it is time to pack up and load things back into the vehicles. Let them know you had a good time. Ask if they know when they need you next. That let's them know you are concerned about making things as easy as possible for them.

    Compliment others on their performance. "Hey, I loved the way you did that thing with your eyes when you turned your head." Actors love when others catch the little nuances that they put into their performance. I love the little nuances actors put into their performances.

    This is not everything, but this should give you an idea of things that will help you make connections and network with people so that they will want you back on their set, or others will recommend you to Directors and Producers.



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    Okay thanks, I think I'll make sure to do that. Thanks.

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    I think it's more important that it look good than that it exactly match the storyboard.

    But I'm a screenwriter, not a director :)

    Check out my blog on my experiences as an indie screenwriter and producier:
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    Quote Originally Posted by mara View Post
    I think it's more important that it look good than that it exactly match the storyboard.

    But I'm a screenwriter, not a director :)
    I direct and I do agree.
    My goal is to make every shot better than the storyboard.

    If you feel your storyboards are much better than your shots you might consider drawing comics instead of making films :p


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    Well said, Walter!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Olander View Post
    From a Director's perspective, here's what I notice in people that I want to be on my next set.

    Arrive early to accommodate anything that has come up about the shoot, or just to be able to go over things, or just for the comfort of the crew to know you are there already.

    Be courteous. Be pleasant. Be ready to take your place. Be ready to respond when your name is called. Ask for clarification on anything you don't understand completely. Don't guess if you don't know. That will slow things down.

    Be helpful. Ask if you can carry anything when it is time to pack up and load things back into the vehicles. Let them know you had a good time. Ask if they know when they need you next. That let's them know you are concerned about making things as easy as possible for them.

    Compliment others on their performance. "Hey, I loved the way you did that thing with your eyes when you turned your head." Actors love when others catch the little nuances that they put into their performance. I love the little nuances actors put into their performances.

    This is not everything, but this should give you an idea of things that will help you make connections and network with people so that they will want you back on their set, or others will recommend you to Directors and Producers.



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    Okay thanks. This is all good stuff. However, since I am driving far away to cities, it's hard to arrive early unfortunately, since it takes several hours to get there and could be late depending on how long it takes to the find the locations in cities I am not familiar with.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ironpony View Post
    Okay thanks. This is all good stuff. However, since I am driving far away to cities, it's hard to arrive early unfortunately, since it takes several hours to get there and could be late depending on how long it takes to the find the locations in cities I am not familiar with.
    Voila, now you know why you hear nothing anymore.


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    Oh okay. So maybe ones where you have to drive to locations that are very difficult to locate are just a lost cause then in terms of efficiency.

    Like for example, one movie being shot wanted me to be an AC on it, after seeing my work. I found out that the movie was being shot in a city that would be a five day drive away. But I only found out about it 3 days before shooting. So that one is out. But I am just not sure how to find these places in time, since they are cities I am not familiar with.

    But I keep being told by others that do go, that I am missing out on making connections if I don't so I will keep going.

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    You have to decide what it means to you, how badly you want it, and how much you are willing to commit yourself.

    If you really want it there is no such thing as having to get up too early to get there, early.
    If you really want it there is no such thing as not going because you are not real familiar with the location. If that's a problem, how will you ever go anywhere on vacation? I guess you stay home?

    If you really want it you commit yourself to it. If you are not willing to commit yourself to it then it is not that highly desired by you, and you look for something else that you can throw yourself into 110%.


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    That's true. A part of the reason is, is that I feel like it won't make a lot of difference. So far the ones I have traveled to, and was there on time and it was no problem, I mean, the movies don't really go anywhere much after, and you kind of get lost in the background. I mean I found that there wasn't anything for me really much to do and I was just standing around. I missed the last one, cause I was sketchy about it. The movie being shot didn't have a title, nor did it have any pages online describing the movie much, that I could find. But again hard to find, when the movie doesn't even have a working title.

    But the people I know who did go, said it was worth it and they met good contacts there. So from now on I will go to more then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironpony View Post
    .........................I missed the last one, cause I was sketchy about it.
    Assumptions are the mother of all FUs

    Quote Originally Posted by ironpony View Post
    .........................The movie being shot didn't have a title, nor did it have any pages online describing the movie much, that I could find. But again hard to find, when the movie doesn't even have a working title.

    .............................
    Your Google skills seem pretty poor in general, but besides that:
    you were trying to find info on a titleless movie still in production and you a) were surprised you didn't find much and b) you didn't just ASK?

    After all these years it still amazes me how backwards you sometimes seem to operate:
    When you need to ask someone involved in a project: you ask us.
    When it is in the manual: you ask us.
    If it is 1 Google away: you ask us.

    You never seem to ask the people/sources who matter.


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    Yes I asked, but no one got back to me in the email. Of course I asked. I asked the others I knew who went and they didn't know the title either, they just showed up at the time and location. So I could have done that but as far as a title goes, no one knew, and the people who were there actually making it, didn't get back to us with a title. But of course I asked, the people on the in matter. They didn't get back to me.

    The reason why I like to ask on here, is because here I can get impartial opinions on things I feel. Like if I were to ask them if I should drive all the way there to help them on a movie, and they say yes, only to find that there is hardly anything for me to do, which is often the base. But that is not an impartial opinion on if I should or not.

    If I were to ask DJI if there Osmo camera, will match any other camera on a sticks, and have no problems with mismatching color and shutter speed issues, they would say, sure it's a great camera! Because they are trying to sell a product. I feel that if I ask other sources, I can get impartial judgments on what I should and should not do, rather than asking the people who may be partial, if that makes sense.

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    With asking I didn't mean the bloody title. Having no title is not that weird.
    You should have asked more info about the script if you have questions.

    About the Osmo: you asked about controls: those are in the spec sheet or the manual. No need to ask any seller.


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    Okay thanks, but Osmo still leaves out the shutter speed in the spec sheet, which is why I asked on here, instead of asking the seller.

    I still did ask questions about the shoot but never got an email back, so I wasn't sure if I should show up on a set I wasn't invited to therefore.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ironpony View Post
    Okay thanks, but Osmo still leaves out the shutter speed in the spec sheet, which is why I asked on here, instead of asking the seller.
    Next step is to read the manual. If it is not in there it can not be done.


    Quote Originally Posted by ironpony View Post
    I still did ask questions about the shoot but never got an email back, so I wasn't sure if I should show up on a set I wasn't invited to therefore.
    And you did it again: leaving out important info.
    You were never selected for the job anyway, so it was not your decision to not go: it was theirs.

    Good luck.


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    But of course I asked, the people on the in matter. They didn't get back to me.
    I have noticed with younger people that they don't care to talk face to face to people. Instead, they prefer texting. Sometimes emails. While you are in their presence (You had to go to a casting call, audition, or at least have them stand in front of you and tell you what they need from you) you can ask them any information you need and get it instantly. You don't have to wait and wonder if they are going to get back to you, you are standing right in front of them. It's not like they will keep their mouth shut and walk away, unless they are psychotic.

    As for shutter speed on the Osmo camera, I literally just did a google search and found the information in 14 seconds.

    Electronic Shutter Speed 8s - 1/8000s
    (up to 30s when camera is on M mode)
    That is from the "spec" section on their website. I did a search for "osmo camera" and on the first page saw this result:https://www.dji.com/osmo/camera

    On that page I clicked on "specs." It's on the left side of the page under CAMERA.

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    No I didn't go to a casting call. The add said they were looking for extras, and I wouldn't have been able to get a face to face meeting with them, without emailing or calling first, since they live in a different city. But they didn't hold a casting call for extras.

    As for the Osmo, perhaps I missed it but on that page of the manual, it doesn't seem to say if the shutter speed is manual controlled or automatic.


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    As Walter said......you need some Google skills. I found the answer to your question, according to google, in 0.73 of a second.

    I did a search with these words: osmo camera shutter speed manual control

    Take a look at the results. The very first page of results shows a couple YouTube videos, and the first one is titled "DJI OSMO: How to adjust your shutter speed and frame rate for the best video quality." At 4 minutes into the video it shows you how to manually set shutter speed.

    I can't believe you have done any research on this. It only took me 3/4 of a second to find the info you were looking for.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ironpony View Post
    and give them my facebook information
    seriously?? facebook is a business card now?? wow, I may be old and stuck in my ways but good ole business cards is the way forward... get a small buzz handing it out too.... "here, have my card" lmao


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    Yes, a business card does seem to impress. "Here, let me give you my business card." It even sounds professional. I can't tell you how many times I ask people if they have a business card. I always keep some of mine on me.

    Facebook is just a better form of the old MySpace. I can't imagine referring someone to my MySpace account as a contact. After making a business connection I have my own website to send them to to learn more about me with visuals and more. That's how a business operates.


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